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Minutes of the Russian Security Council Meeting (02/21/2022)

The situation in Donbass is constantly evolving. At the time of this writing, the Russian Federation has formally recognized the independence of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR/DPR) and appears to be ready to occupy the region. Before that, and before President Putin’s speech leading up to it, the Russian Security Council held a public meeting. In it, Putin gave a brief outline of his view of the situation, a few key officials gave updates, and everyone went on record with their reasons for supporting recognition of LPR and DPR.

The meeting provides good insight into the key elements of the Russian position. Those of you who, like me, are paid agents of the Kremlin ought to make sure you’re educated and up to date with what we are supposed to be pushing. For the rest of you, it’s a decent overview of the counter-opinion to what you hear coming from Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and other Western leaders.

For the rest of this post until the conclusion, all text is a summary of the comments made by a member of the Russian government.

Security Council Meeting, Pt 1: Situation Briefing


Putin, President of Russia (and Chairman of the Security Council)

President of Russia and Chairman of Security Council

Vladimir Putin. President of the Russian Federation

Putin opens by giving a general summary of the situation.

During the unconstitutional 2014 coup in Ukraine, the internal unrest included violence against Russians, including those in Crimea and the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine. As a result, the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) were formed in Donbass, to protect the interests of Russians there. There has been ongoing violence between Ukraine and the Donbass republics ever since. Despite Russia’s attempts to negotiate for a peaceful settlement, the Ukrainian government has made two major military attacks on Donbass since then, and now appears to be beginning a third.

A framework for peace exists in the 2015 Minsk Agreement, which the current Kiev regime shows no interest in following.

The business of the current meeting is to discuss requests, submitted by the leadership of the DPR and LPR and now supported by the Russian State Duma, for Russia to recognize the independence and sovereignty of the Republics.

Note: At this point in the stream, the boomers began to log in to YouTube.

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All of this should be considered in the context of the ongoing security issues that Russia faces. It is still Ukraine’s formal goal to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Additionally, this is a particular threat to Russia because of NATO Article V provisions, which would be extended to the territory of the Donbass republics even as Kiev fails to honor the Minsk Agreement.

Western powers have continued to agitate this issue, formally acknowledging and welcoming the NATO aspirations of Ukraine and Georgia in a Bucharest summit. Since then, Russia has asked for security guarantees that more steps in this direction will not be taken. No guarantees have been given due to the foreign policy decisions of the United States.

President Putin then invited Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to speak to the Security Council on the status of negotiations.

Lavrov, Foreign Minister

Minister of Foreign Affairs and Security Council Member Lavrov

Sergei Lavrov, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Lavrov gave a few updates on current diplomacy.

NATO powers have refused to give any satisfactory security guarantees to the Russian Federation. The stated US position cites the principle that all countries are free to choose their own alliances, and they ignore all other considerations raised by Russia.

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The Americans have shown some willingness to discuss Russia’s concerns of military buildup near Russia territories, but the US has a history of discarding agreements (for example the INF Treaty). We are continuing to attempt to discuss the current crisis with the United States, but they are ignoring our core concerns.

Lavrov started mentioning ongoing discussions with US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken regarding NATO and Ukraine at which point Putin interrupted to add some context.

Putin, President

Putin explained a conversation he had with either Blinken or some US diplomats, and couldn’t help laughing at American duplicity as he spoke.

The Americans gave assurances that Ukraine is not ready to join NATO “tomorrow”. But this simply means that the US wants more time to prepare for admitting Ukraine into NATO. It does not qualify as any sort of assurance.

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Putin then gave the floor to Dmitry Kozak.

Kozak, Deputy Kremlin Chief of Staff

Kremlin Deputy Chief of Staff and Security Council Member Kozak

Dmitry Kozak, Kremlin Deputy Chief of Staff

Ukraine’s government shows no signs of abiding by the Minsk Agreement, and is consistently trying to blame Russia. They have taken no steps to recognize any special status of the Donbass region (a key part of the Minsk framework). Kiev is refusing to engage in direct dialogue with the Donbass republics. Then France surprised the Russians by supporting the Kiev position that it shouldn’t have to negotiate with separatists.

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Next, Putin called on Bortnikov to report on the border situation.

Bortnikov, FSB Director

FSB Directory and Security Council Member Bortnikov

Alexander Bortnikov, Director of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)

Ukraine has intensified its shelling of the territories of both the DPR and LPR. Thousands of civilians have been displaced and have moved or are moving to the Russian border.

After this brief report, Putin called on the Russian Defense Minister.

Shoygu, Defense Minister

Minister of Defense and Security Council Member Shoygu

Sergei Shoygu, Minister of Defense

Ukrainian actions have forced people living near the edge of separatist territory to evacuate. Thanks to earlier negotiations, Ukraine had withdrawn some large weaponry from the contact line. However, it appears that they have brought some of the armaments back and are using them, and are targeting critical infrastructure.

Ukraine’s government has recently made dangerous statements about becoming a nuclear country again.

At this point, Putin moved the meeting to a new phase, wanting people to give opinions on recognizing the LPR and DPR now that they’ve heard the updates. He emphasized that everyone can see the blackmail coming from the West.

First was Dmitry Medvedev, a former President of Russia who is now the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council

Security Council Meeting, Pt 2: Opinions on Donbass


Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council

Deputy Chairman of Security Council Medvedev

Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council

NATO has been trying to redraw the world borders to their own benefit and to approach Russian borders and the Minsk Agreements are not being honored.

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Medvedev made the claim that Russian actions in South Ossetia back in the day saved thousands of lives. He then moved on, not wanting to elaborate or stay off-topic.

The current crisis is dangerous and it could become a larger conflict, but Russia has learned from its experiences in 2008 (meaning the Russia-Georgia conflict).

There are Russian citizens living in Donbass and the situation is not improving. Furthermore, we should recognize the Republics as independent and subject to international law. The vast majority of the Russian people support this step.

Putin then called on the Chairman of the State Duma.

Volodin, Chairman of State Duma

Chairman of State Duma and Security Council Member Volodin

Vyacheslav Volodin, Chairman of the State Duma

The Duma supports recognizing LPR and DPR. This unstable and unacceptable situation has been going on for 8 years, and Ukraine has been undermining peace in the region. Taking this step is something our citizens support.

Matviyenko, Chair of Federation Council

Chair of Russian Federation Council and Security Council Member Matviyenko

Valentina Matviyenko, Chair of the Russian Federation Council

Ukraine is incapable of making any decisions because the regime is a puppet of the US Biden administration. The Ukrainian government is not thinking of its people, but is instead thinking about what its US masters want. This is why the Minsk Agreement is being ignored.

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The Russian separatists wanted to stop being under the control of Kiev and to be able to continue using the Russian language. The West is on an anti-Russian project. They are trying to put two slavic peoples into a conflict against each other.

Russians in Donbass are living in fear of strikes and have to spend a lot of time in their basements. Russia has a moral obligation to recognize and support these Republics. We will be called aggressors and be attacked with sanctions even though we still haven’t talked about applying sanctions on Ukraine. However, we need to do the right thing here even though it will be challenging. The Western powers want a NATO flag over Sevastopol. We have no moral right to allow this.

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Patrushev, Secretary of the Security Council

Secretary of Security Council Patrushev

Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of the Security Council

The only negotiations that matter are with the United States, because everyone else involved is a US puppet anyways, and they always treat us like an enemy. The goal of the United States is to cause a collapse of the Russian Federation. The Duma has asked us to consider recognizing LPR and DPR, and doing so will commit us to protect the people there. We should respond positively to President Biden’s call for a summit on the matter.

This isn’t in the current video, but when watching live, Putin cut Patrushev off and told him he was offering advice on things other than the matter at hand – which is whether or not to recognize the LPR and DPR. Patrushev then admitted that he supported recognition.

Mishustin, Prime Minister

Prime Minister and Security Council Member Mishustin

Mikhail Mishustin, Prime Minister

Mishustin came up to the podium and started talking about economic development and shit. Putin then cut him off and asked whether or not he supported the proposal to recognize LPR and DPR. I think there was another back and forth because there was another break in the footage. Mishutsin then said that he supports recognition.

Naryshkin, Foreign Intelligence Service Director

Director of FIS and Security Council Member Naryshkin

Sergei Naryshkin, Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service

We know that Ukraine is not planning on implementing the Mingk Agreement. The idea that Russian forces want to invade the territory of Ukraine is a lie that was fabricated by the US State Department in an attempt to agitate the Kiev regime towards taking military action.

We cannot allow military action against people in Donbass who want to speak and think in Russian. I agree with Mr. Patrushev’s idea that we give an ultimatum to the West that if they don’t give us the security guarantees we need then we will have to go forward with what is being discussed today.

Putin cut Naryshkin off at this point, beginning a funny exchange.

Putin: What do you mean? Do you want to start negotiations, or do you want to recognize sovereignty? Say it directly.

Naryshkin: I would support the suggestion about –

Putin: Would support? Or do support?

Naryshkin: I-

Putin: Are you supporting it or not? Just say yes or no.

Naryshkin: Yes, I support the suggestion to make the DPR and LPR part of the Russian Federation.

Putin (shaking his head and smiling): That’s not what we are discussing. We are talking about recognizing them as independent entities. Do you support that, yes or no?

Naryshkin: Yes, I support the suggestion about recognizing their independence.

Putin: Thank you. Be seated.

The next speaker was not named, but based on photographs of who should’ve been present at the Security Council Meeting, I believe it is Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev.

Kolokoltsev, Interior Minister

Interior Minister Kolokoltsev

I believe this is Vladimir Kolokoltsev, Minister of the Interior

Kolokoltsev offered the ultimate “Libtards are the real Nazis” take. He compared the Western reluctance to fulfill any obligations to the Minsk Agreement to the alleged Nazi reluctance to fulfill obligations of the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, always having some excuse.

The Western negotiators always have some excuse for never granting Russia security guarantees and for taking no steps towards recognizing special status for Donbass. Honest negotiation can only be done with an honest partner, and the Western powers have not been honest and you can trust their word. These are the same people that invaded Iraq and created a giant bloodbath.

Putin reminded the Security Counccil that negotiations have been going on for eight years.

A few more advisers came up, including Lavrov and Shoygu (who had briefed at the beginning) who expressed their support for the measure. Lavrov mentioned Kosovo as an example of the West bypassing any dialogue with Russia or of allowing referendums. Lavrov supported the measure, but spoke as if it were a measure he had recently come around to due to Western intransigence.

Conclusion


This event was obviously mostly a show, the advisers seem to have made their mind up and wanted to make a video explaining everyone’s position publicly. There was no meaningful opposition to the measure of recognizing LPR and DPR. The only hint of another opinion came from the few officials who seemed to suggest they wanted to give the West some more time to change their mind and respond to Russian ultimatums before taking a drastic step. Putin was visibly annoyed at these requests, and interrupted the speaker whenever they raised it.

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    8 Comments

    1. Russia should have been more proactive in writing and promoting a treaty over the long term status of Ukraine with the US. ZOG may have ignored it, but it would have been out there that Russia had clear demands. Russia did a bad job of selling justification for escalation. They were afraid to make a clear demand and wanted to weasel everything. Russian government spokesmen rely too much on diplomatic formalities rather than clear communication.

      1. Russia has consistently made non-expansion of NATO its clearest demand for years. I don’t know that there is much more they could have done to be clearer.

        1. Yeah, but it was diplomats saying that, no one listen to that crap. Russia doesn’t have the media/cultural reach to get these demands to the masses or didn’t try hard enough. Most Americans have no idea Russia had demands that were easy to meet. They didn’t do a good job of making people aware. Russia needs influencers.

    2. Could you people learn to use your fucking website?

      None of the comments that you screencapped show correctly on mobile, I don’t know if they’re good on desktop but come on.

      1. we are all amateurs here lol, your complaint has been duly noted

        1. also please dont swear this a family friendly website

    3. The funniest part is him shut down the person who wants to recognize those regions as part of the Russian federation.
      He’s clearly trying to keep everyone on message and not spilling their spaghetti.

    4. From telegram:

      “Donbass-Lugansk direction: in some areas, LDNR units >advanced to a depth of up to 7 km and are successfully developing the offensive. Near Kramatorsk, closer to midnight, shooting began. The Azov battalions and other Nazi units were destroyed. A massive attack on Mariupol is expected. In general, the forces of the LDNR tied up a huge grouping of troops in the zone of the “Ukrainian operation”.

      gayZOG battalion is literally owned by a jew israeli billionaire, who has used them to raid companies, like mob enforcers. Read these whole articles:

      https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/24/ukraine-jewish-billionaires-batallion-sent-to-fight-pro-russian-militias/

      https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/ukrainian-jewish-oligarch-steps-aside-for-now

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